Microsoft account obligation Windows Home?

Th
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Can you still bypass the Microsoft account requirement these days?

Mediamarkt sold me a laptop with Windows 10 Home preinstalled - I thought - I got Windows 10 Home S with forced safe mode. To switch to Home, you have to sell your soul to Microsoft. The alternative is a product key.

Does Mediamarkt have the license key for the normal operating system or does it make no sense to try to get it? The support is pretty busy and I would like to be able to use my PC soon.

li

Mediamarkt certainly has license keys for the normal Windows 10 Home, but I don't think they'll just give you one.
If you think you can, you could buy a key yourself and reinstall Windows.

A little tip if you are reinstalling Windows yourself: If the PC is not connected to the Internet during the setup / installation of Windows, you can simply bypass the creation of a Microsoft account.

Th

Well, just not like that, the full version of Windows was advertised in the sales contract, somehow I consider the whole thing to be a fraud, I don't buy a license for 100 euro now if it is supposed to be included.

I did that with dealing offline. But after that you didn't get any further. Firefox can't be installed, only the Microsoft Store used - except for Microsoft account - at this point I'm hanging.

co

I bought a key for 2 euro. Has worked flawlessly for ages.

St

You can deactivate the preset Home S mode (if it is the mode) yourself, then you have the normal Win 10 Home. There's no need for a separate license. Otherwise you can of course also return the laptop to Mediamarkt, because if Win 10 Home is touted, then 10 Home must also be in it.

bl

Here is a description of how to switch from S mode to normal home. Incidentally, Media Markt does not have the license key. Nowadays it is no longer included, but stored in the UEFI bios. There are tools to read it out, but you don't really need it.

https://support.microsoft.com/...irektional.

Mi

Maybe you would like to try out a free operating system where you don't have to sell your soul to Microsoft.

ap

Go to the dealer, take a witness and the sales contract. But above all the product description that promises you the S version, which is not limited to the maximum.
Insist on a flawless product - as advertised.

If that doesn't work out right away, get an extra hard drive, build it in, and install the much more user friendly Mint Cinnamon. I would put the original record in the closet. Mint has a super full app shop with free programs, has no account requirements, no espionage, no user restrictions, no payment key and does not need a virus scanner like the insecure US operating system. Linux is also suitable for beginners and can be installed next to any Windows with just a few clicks.

Th

Thanks for the answer. Exactly as you describe it, I would have done it, but there's a lockdown where I'm. Getting one of the last good laptops was tough as everyone was buying up like crazy before the lockdown. I was assured by phone that advice would still be possible in the lockdown, that was then misinformation, only repairs are possible. The phone line is overloaded and email is probably never taken that seriously and it takes time. I still write anyway. Had recently exchanged the laptop because of coil whine. In short: I'm finally satisfied with the hardware and don't want to return the whole PC just because of that and as I know them, they are relatively inflexible and too stupid to separate software from hardware - a purchase, a contract. I haven't even received the remittance of my last one…

I don't know exactly what mint is, but honestly I hate all of those app stores. I don't want an app. I go to my browser, download the programs I want, e.g. Firefox, and then install them, as always. A store on a cell phone makes sense, but not on a computer. It's patronizing. I'm definitely considering switching to Linux in the future, but right now that would be too much for me to find my way around. Have used Windows 7 all my life wish I could keep using it.

I don't understand about the hard drive. I will certainly not tinker with the hardware. I'll ruin everything.

Th

What, what kind of key is that? Is that a stolen license or what? Sounds lazy.

Th

Thanks for your answer!

I know the instructions for switching out of S mode, but I would be very reluctant to see all of my intellectual property linked to a Microsoft account that collects data deeply into the system! Do you have any alternative suggestions that cost nothing? The account requirement was easily circumvented when starting (no Wi-Fi), but here?

If it is really impossible, as you say, without this account - can I actually delete it after switching? What happens if you then delete the account?

Th

I can, but only with a Microsoft account. If it's impossible without it, then I don't need to return it, because then it will be the case with every laptop. The question is whether the media market is to blame or Windows generally leaves you no other choice.

Th

I want to, but makes me unsure whether I would be able to do it. On my internship, for example, I was completely overwhelmed with Linux - and the installation work was already done.

Mi

That's a thing, what didn't want to work?

Th

Everything works, but I'm somehow overwhelmed by the fact that the entire interface is missing, there was only the Explorer in a taskbar somewhere else on the screen, a console and a lot of emptiness. No orientation for me, as I can start with a console exactly from scratch. In the case of the folders, not all the descriptions of the files. Somehow just so empty. Maybe that's how they wanted it - they're all good at the console.

Mi

You can actually set up the interface the way you want it to be, there are even people who take the trouble to make it look exactly like Windows: https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1011904/ But that looks like a cheap copy that the Linux desktop can do also look very good without mimicking Windows.

Th

Oh yeah that's cool. But how do you set it up yourself? Without any programming knowledge, I would probably have to use a product made by some stranger again

Mi

No, you don't have to program anything, there are settings dialogs where you can set things like that.

The problem is usually not so much that there's no way to set anything via a graphical configuration, but rather that people on the Internet always prefer to write down the console command to describe how to click through to the required setting via the graphical user interface.

Th

Ah, I understand! That explains a lot! Thank you thank you very much. Well, are there any good guides that explain this whole thing in PDF or something?

What do you think if I try this thing in a virtual machine? Maybe it makes more sense.

Mi

I think it's a good idea if you want to test longer. For a short test there's still the option of booting the system from the USB stick (live session). Has the advantage that you can see immediately whether everything is well supported in terms of hardware, but the disadvantage that it is more or less a kiosk system, after a restart all changes are gone.

There are a lot of instructions in the form of wikis, blog posts, PDFs and even books. I would first see which distribution smiles at me and then look specifically for instructions for the corresponding distribution.

li

Most of these keys are… Let's not say they were created 100% legally. In most cases, these keys are bought in a country where they are cheaper and then resold in Germany a little more expensive (but still much cheaper than directly from Microsoft). Another method is to buy these with stolen credit card details.
However, some providers also buy legal keys in large quantities from Microsoft and then sell them on, but they are not available for 2 euro.

ap

I'm pleased that you are sticking to the topic so tenaciously. Write to the supplier by registered mail, enclose the copy of the invoice and a screenshot showing the restriction, set a period of 14 days to send you the information for the activation. Announce further legal action right away.

The Linux Mint Cinnamon operating system is like Windows7, looks and can be operated like this. In Linux, all (free) programs are checked and put together in a repository in a clear and well-described manner free of viruses. The Linux user does not need to surf around websites and grapple with contaminated demos and restricted versions. It's easier than searching the web.

You familiarized yourself with Linux Mint in one evening, on YouTube you can see how easy it is to use, namely easier than Win.

Whoever enters "Mint download" comes with one click on the download link. Download it free of charge and save it on a USB pen, you can boot the computer from the pen and you are in the middle of Linux, you can start Office in the start menu, use mp3, draw, browse, email, edit pictures, manage photos, chat, watch DVDs - everything without installation. Everything I need is in there.

In most laptops, the hard drive can easily be exchanged for an experimental panel without loss of warranty. Unscrew the bottom flap, click out the plate and insert the new one. It's done in 2 minutes. I always have a spare plate on which the Mint is installed. If a computer is beating, it comes in and everything is running - without having to reload drivers or transfer programs or buy new ones. Linux can do that.

Of course I'll write this to you on a Linux computer (installed myself) - whoever has Linux often no longer needs restricted Windows.

Th

Interesting. I hope one day Linux will continue to be optimized for those who are overwhelmed with something like that. But I'll try it out sometime. For now I want to stay with Windows because I already have a project (website) and that would be too much at once. But I'll watch videos on it.

As I said, the employees of mediamarkt don't care to take the lappi back again, so they always sit on the lever

ap

Windows is constantly being optimized and Linux is being copied diligently, and a Linux subsystem is now even built into the W10.
Linux is absolutely suitable for beginners, even if people who have never seen it doggedly claim it is complicated.

At Linux demonstrations I have heard several times: "That's easy" and "why doesn't / can't Windows".

Th

So I'm already using Libreoffice. With Linux it will still need a bit but is yet to come haha

Nevertheless, as I said, it's too much for me now. Must then probably just live with the account i don't know

Th

I now know why I was so afraid of Linux. I had a completely wrong view of it. That was because my employer used the CentOS distribution, which is probably the most difficult to use of all with very limited options without a console.

Thank you all for persevering! Mint and others are quite appealing! I'm looking forward to Libreoffice too.

My only problem now is how to get there, since S mode blocks everything and I don't have a second device to generate the ISO.

Th

Unfortunately, they talked me softly in the media market because nobody had ever had the problem and they don't have a license key. Meanwhile I know that it should be in the BIOS. But I can't read it out through powershell because of S mode… I like everything sh *** … I only want Linux but that doesn't work in smodus either

Mi

Pooh, I have to admit, unfortunately I don't know my way around… What exactly does the S mode prevent?

Addendum: Yes, CentOS is really not that terribly user-friendly, what you hear is more of a server distro, so not necessarily intended for use on the home computer.

Th

S mode is a kind of safe mode that makes it impossible to install and run many programs.

Mi

Can't you turn it off somehow?

https://support.microsoft.com/...1bfb28a307

Would be a one-way street, of course, but it kind of sounds like S mode isn't exactly helpful…

Th

I got this link 20 times, I got tired of reacting to it.

Mi

Oh, so that's it, for me it was the first time.

I'm afraid I can't help with the Windows problem, maybe you will ask a question about it?

Th

Well, I've already answered in detail to almost all of my questions about Microsoft on this link. Because of that, I'm on my cell phone and can't copy here so quickly. You can look over.

In principle, you will be asked for an MS account with this method.

Mi

BalenaEtcher is a tool that can be used to write ISO images to USB sticks. You can use it as a portable version that doesn't need to be installed, so you download an .exe file and just run it. Maybe that's how it works?

https://www.balena.io/...io/etcher/

ap

To install or test Linux in addition to Windows (or alone), you don't even need to start Windows.

It's super easy, plug in the USB pen with the Linux Immage and press the boot menu key when the computer boots (F12 or F8, ESC - is in your PC manual), select Start Linux Live and you have the Linux Mint desktop before you. Now you can already use the numerous Linux programs including Office. To install, click on the "Install" icon on the desktop, press Enter 5 times and you have Linux - it's easier than with Win.

You do not need a virus scanner or payment key with high-quality operating systems.

Th

You're very funny. The Linux Live Stick doesn't fly out of thin air. You have to create it first. By the way, I've now made it. Both to save Windows and to have Linux.