I wanted to ask what I should consider when buying a PC or maybe you have some good recommendations or suggestions for me.
I had already had 2 laptops so far and had the experience that they wear out or slow down incredibly quickly. After a year or two, the cooler gives up its ghost or games like Battlefront II can't be played because the whole laptop overheats after 20 minutes.
I have now saved a little money and now I want to get a really big PC. In addition to my studies, I want to use it for gaming. I've looked around a bit, but have no idea where to order it. In addition, some tinker it together themselves. Unfortunately, I don't have the knowledge to do this π
AMD Ryzen 5950X processor, the RTX 3090 graphics card, 64 GB RAM and 144 Hz monitor What do you think about it - too expensive or still okay for its price?
I thank you for every answer π
How much does it cost?
How expensive? Or how much do you want to spend?
I just want to mention a tip, as many "self-proclaimed professionals" also report here.
It is best to also look in the relevant PC magazines (PC-Welt, Chip, Computerbild and PC-Games).
There you will find many articles, prices and tips and almost all of them are also available online.
Don't know, actually wanted to get me a pretty good one, which accordingly also lasts a long time. 5000 euro is okay, isn't it?
You want top notch. Then please.
but what is definitely over it is the ram. 32GB would be more than enough.
What do you mean by notch? Sorry, I'm not so involved in computer knowledge π π
Top notch = the best of the best
Think 5000 euro, don't have the number in my head anymore
I would say everything is great. Make sure to get a ssd hard drive.
Graphics card seems to me to be too expensive at the moment.
If you have too much money, I'll say: money doesn't matter in this case
In view of the fact that an RTX3090 currently costs twice the EVP, this is money anyway
Thus, such a high-end gaming system currently makes no sense in terms of price / performance
A fast M.2 NVMe SSD for the affliction system on the board, then the direction is right.
The 3090 is way too much for gaming, a 3080 (or 3080ti when it comes out) will save you a lot of money and provide virtually the same performance.
64Gb RAM is a lot, I would rather use 32Gb, but decent (> 3600Mhz, CL14-16, for example).
With such a high-end PC, a 144Hz monitor is also not enough mMn. I can recommend the Samsung Odyssey G7, for example, as a 240Hz, 27 ", WQHD variant.
Hi MML123, first of all thanks for your helpful answer. I've read your notes and can understand everything.
For example, if I now decide on the monitor that you suggested to me, do I have to take care of anything or is every monitor compatible with the PC?
On the other hand, I looked around again. What do you think of this?
https://www.amazon.de/...092HYVXJR/
Just looked at Amazon now. But here, too, the number of PCs flooded me a little. If you have a clear favorite for a high-end PC, feel free to add it
Moin Jimmy! Graphics cards and monitors all use DisplayPort for high Hz or resolutions, so any modern monitor fits any modern graphics card.
The PC from Amazon (Memory PC) is okay, someone who can put together PCs, but sees some things that can be improved or made more efficient.
I generally don't deal with finished PCs, which is why I can't recommend a good one. There are, however, some YouTube videos that break down ready-made pc manufacturers, maybe you can keep looking which distributor is the most correct.
I wish you success! If you have further questions, please answer here or write a message.
Hello MML123. Thanks again for your answers, they helped me a lot. I have now decided on the dcl24.de gaming pc. According to Youtubern and the website, it should be very good here and is number 1 of the best ready-to-use PCs in May 2021.https://www.bestereviews.de/high-end-gaming-pc?targetid=dsa-1167953074289&matchtype=b&device=m&campaignid=12285067573&creative=497143571267&adgroupid=117698594059&feeditemid=163735189918&loc_physical_ms=1004234&loc_interest_ms=&network=g&devicemodel=&placement=&keyword=%24&target=&aceid=&adposition=&trackid=de_all_top_2_1&mId=407-132-4411
I also think that when it comes to things like monitors, I'll be good when I order the Samsung Odyssey G7 WQHD that you recommend.
Thank you again and I wish you a nice rest of Sunday
Hi, what is your opinion on the monitor, ASUS ROG SWIFT PG278QR ", 27 inch and WQHD.
This was also recommended to me. Both the Samsung Odyssey and this one have a very positive rating.
I guess the decision which is the more suitable of the two is a matter of taste, right?
Moin Jimmy. Do you mean that for 2469 euro? If so, then I'd say it's good. Although Intel instead of my favorite AMD, it will be a great gaming device for the next few years.
An important thing: The PC has 2 hard drives, a 500Gb m.2 SSD (fast and good for system + games) and a 2TB HDD (for data storage, documents, archive, etc.).
500Gb SSD storage is sufficient, but not much. That would be e.g. Windows 10 + Warzone + Fortnite + Valorant. Then the hard drive is almost full. Now the important part: Please don't start packing demanding games onto the HDD (it doesn't matter with among us or golf it, but please no shooters, role-playing games, etc.), an HDD will ruin your gaming fun.
When the time has come when the 500Gb SSD storage is full, you should rather build in a second SSD. If you can't or do not want to do this yourself, your next media store can also do it. In the long term, however, it will take a lot of time and frustration if you pack as much as possible on the SSDs.
Monitor:
I had recommended the Samsung Odyssey G7 because it offers both WQHD and 240Hz, the ASUS PG278QR also offers 27 "WQHD, but only 144 or 165 Hertz for almost the same price.
The only question here is: Do you even play games where you can achieve 240fps or more with the PC? These are games like csgo, valorant, fortnite, lol and dota. So relatively simple competitive games.
Or do you play with scenery a lot? E.g. Assassins creed, bioshock, fallout, metro, skyrim or similar. In these games 100 or more fps with top graphics are very good, even with a 3000 euro PC.
If you can answer this question, I can also tell you the best monitor in my experience for it.
Hi, I mean that for just under 3,110 euro. It has now moved to 3rd place. I mainly play shooters like Battlefield or Battlefront but also some simpler games like age of empires 3. I think that 240fps would make sense here. I didn't even know about the HDD. I assume this will cause the game to stutter? I will definitely take your tips and recommendations to heart.
I have another quick question, if you allow me. I can find a 2020 and a 2021 model for the monitor on Amazon. Which do you consider useful?
Samsung G7 (C27G73TQSU) 68.58 cm (27 inch) QLED Curved Odyssey Gaming Monitor (2,560 x 1,440 pixels, 240 Hz, 1ms, 1000R, suitable for dual monitors, PC monitor, AMD FreeSync, G-Sync compatible) black https://www.amazon.de/...0859SVYN7/
Okay then 240Hz definitely makes sense for you.
And yes, the slow hard disk space leads to long loading times and sometimes very noticeable stuttering.
On the monitor I only see one with 27 ", 240Hz, WQHD. No year-round differences, but if they write the same things and cost the same, then definitely the newer one.
I checked, there are no technical differences; the 2021 model just has a lower energy consumption. From 107kWh to 58kWh, but the 2021 model also costs 649 euro, 90 euro more than the 2020 model
Okay, if it's all about energy efficiency, you have to know whether the 90 euro more are worth it for long-term lower electricity costs. 107 to 58 is a huge difference.
Between the two, I would choose the MSI.
Main reason: cooling. MSI has built in its own water cooling, while the Amazon (dcl24.de) PC has built in a very cheap-looking air cooler.
Yes, the MSI has a 5900x and the amazon pc has a 5950x, but the extra cores make no difference for gaming.
In addition, the MSI has built in its own 3080 Gaming X Trio, one of the best reference models you can buy from a 3080, I can't find out what kind of model it is on Amazon.
MSI is a very good brand, my last finished PC a few years ago was also from MSI (an Aegis 3x or something like that).
Your questions are not annoying, just keep asking.
Perfect. Would you change anything on the MSI PC (can be done using the configurator) or everything is correct so far. Personally, I would buy it in this combination.
Do you have any other ideas what I need for my PC set up? I spontaneously think of a mouse and keyboard. It's easy to find. But a cable for a monitor and PC would also have to be found. That'll be something like that. https://www.amazon.de/...01KRLYPNE/
So the pc is good as it is. But I would either install a larger or a second SSD. 1TB would be full of my most important games for me. But you have to know that, 1TB is a lot, but games like warzone take almost a quarter of it.
Cables are always included with the monitor, and you don't use VGA for such good screens, they all use DisplayPort, or HDMI 2.0 / 1 if you want to connect a PS5 or something. Displayport cables are included with every monitor that needs them.
Keyboard is relatively simple, at Geizhals.de you can filter keyboards according to what you want: Numpad yes / no, f-keys yes / no, mechanical (then exactly which switches, but that is not so important for a casual gamer) .
I've been using the Logitech G PRO keyboard for almost two years.
Mice are a difficult subject because it also depends on what you like and what games you play. You said earlier you mainly play fps (first person shooter) like Battlefield, me too, and I swear by lightweight mice. I've used many, many mice in the last few years and I'm now with the factual best that money can buy: Logitech G PRO X Superlight, costs 130 euro, but is also the best of the best.
Good, cheaper mice in the lightweight range are:
Glorious PC Model O or Model O-, depending on hand size or preference (I used the O- for almost 2 years, have very large hands)
Logitech G Pro (not Superlight, costs 40 euro less, weighs a little more)
Zowie EC1 and 2
Razer Viper, Viper mini or Viper ultimate (normal or small or wireless)
Here are a few more ergonomic and / or heavy examples:
Roccat Kone
Logitech G502 lightspeed.
Your next media market will have a certain part of these mice there, maybe you can pick up some of them.
Very cool, thank you for your support
It says here that in addition to the M. 2 SSD, no SSD or hard drive, multi-card reader, network, expansion cards, operating system, security software and office software are integrated in the PC. Is that bad?
I mean the missing drive is nothing new. I actually don't need that. I installed the operating system (Windows 10 is probably meant) on my laptop via a stick. I still need to have the stick and activation code. I also have the login data for the office programs (probably Word PowerPoint). The security software. (Antivirus program?) There are many free of charge on the Internet. I have no idea about the other things. However, these can also be retrofitted in the configuration. All I have to do is know whether the things are necessary.
If the network is missing, do I have no access to Wi-Fi?
And why is there an M. 2 SSD, an SSD and another SSD? π π
Exactly the same with the hard drive. There's another hard drive in addition to the hard drive.
I've never heard of multicard readers and expansion cards.
It would be really nice if you noticed places where I should definitely improve, that you would write the corresponding compartment, e.g. B for the network 1733 Mbit WLAN ASUS PCE-AC58BT AC2100 BT5.0 incl.Bluetooth or 2100 Mbit WLAN ASUS PCE-AC88 Gaming. You can see that when you visit the website https://www.computerwerk.de/Gaming-PC/Gaming-PC-Adelaide-F::4068.html
click on configurator. There are many options. I never thought that the PC search could be so difficult - I was probably wrong.
So:
Drive: no one needs one anymore, if you should ever need one buy an external one at the next shop for 30 euro.
Hard drives: The one m.2 SSD has 1TB of space. That's good, but not a huge amount, if you have the cash I'd add another 1TB Crucial BX500. "Another SSD is just if you want to have another one with you in addition to the 2 ssd slots, I also have 3 hard drives in my system (1 m.2 for system and important games, 1 normal ssd for programs and 1 HDD as a data grave /Archive)
Card reader: no one needs them, they are for SD or micro SD cards and the like.
Network: The built-in motherboard does not have WLAN on it, but you should always connect a gaming PC via LAN anyway, but if you are dependent on WLAN, a cheap network card (e.g. Asus 1733) is sufficient
Expansion cards: These are extra USB hubs or similar, luxury, you do not need
Operating system: You still have windows, great, otherwise there's a win 10 home license online for 15 euro
Security: Windows own defender is now good, but there are some cheap to free virus programs that are quite good, just google it.
Office: You have, great.
At the moment buying a PC is very difficult because you can't put one together because graphics cards are extinct. Otherwise I would have just sent you a finished configuration for 4k β¬ and that's it. But with the MSI you're doing everything right.
Okay, if I've understood correctly, then I'll add an SSD with 1TB Crucial BTX in addition to the M2 SSD. The first is for games and systems, the second is for programs.
And as a third place for data grave / archive, what do I use - hard disk, further SSD or further hard disk?
This is what you called an HDD.
Otherwise the PC should also be able to connect to Lan. Can the PC do this anyway or do I have to select something in the network under Lan?
And the pc is also compatible with a 2560x1440 right?
If you have 1TB m.2 and 1TB SSD, then you can use the SSD for everything that is not so important (word, excel, simple games like amongus or golf it, but also your documents, nor an HDD is necessary. )
On the m.2 is your operating system (Windows) and demanding / important games such as battlefield.
Your PC has LAN anyway, my PC only has LAN because I don't need Wi-Fi. But it can't hurt.
Yes, definitely, a DisplayPort cable can transmit up to 1440p, 240Hz.
Okay, but then I don't understand why there are network cards, 2x 1 Gbit Intel I350T2V2 Server Ethernet or 4x 1 Gbit Intel I350T4V2 Server Ethernet on the page (see appendix to the question).
I don't have to select that now to have Ethernet or what?
Your motherboard has a Gigabit Ethernet port, you use this for LAN and you don't have to select anything extra. All these PCI expansion cards, be it network, USB hubs or whatever, are addons that you would know if you needed them. If you are not planning to buy a second internet line, you do not need another Gbit Ethernet port, let alone 2 or 4 more.
In summary: The PC has LAN but no WLAN. If you need Wi-Fi, take the ASUS 1733 for 60 euro, which also includes bluetooth.
Everything else under "Extension" is absolutely of no interest to you.
Okay, great ππ»
I chose the Logitech G915 LIGHTSPEED wireless mechanical gaming keyboard and the Logitech G PRO X SUPERLIGHT wireless gaming mouse that you recommended.
I think both are very impressive from a visual point of view.
But now I have the following problem again. At least the keyboard says that the connectivity technology is USB 2.0. I don't know exactly about the mouse. When I go to the website of my MSI PC, the case says something about: 1x USB 3.1 type C (internal connection) 2x USB 3.0 type A (internal connection). What does that say now?
Does this limit my choice of mouse and keyboard or can I stick to it? In addition, I don't know what is meant by 3.1 or 3.0.
All I want is actually just a connection for a mouse or keyboard and USB stick, i.e. 3 connections that can be occupied at the same time.
or in the case of a wireless mouse or keyboard, I may still need the connection if I want to charge the device on the side
Moin Jimmy!
USB Type A is completely upwards and downwards compatible. The names are very confusing but rule of thumb: the higher the number, the faster. You can plug a USB 2.0 type A keyboard into a USB type A 3.0 or 3.1 slot and use it without any problems or restrictions.
As you said, your case has 1x USB Type C at the top / front (that would be for a smartphone turbocharger or a very fast external SSD, but most likely of no interest to you) and 2x USB 3.0 Type A. You want these USB slots but do not use it at all, but first of all the one on the back of the PC on the motherboard. The motherboard in the MSI PC itself has 6 or 7 USB type A slots to which you can and should connect everything, firstly looks better and secondly the slots are closer to the motherboard, so they have marginally less reaction time.
As you say in the last paragraph, I'll do it too. I have the USB stick of my G Pro X Superlight in the back of the PC and when I need the charging cable, I put it in the front and pack it away again when the mouse is full. But then I need 2 slots while charging, that's right. You have at least 8 on the PC, so no stress.
Great, thank you βΊοΈ
