Does hardly any German have the knowledge and know-how to manufacture a laptop or computer or smartphone?

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You don't make something like that in Germany.

St

For sure

Siemens-Nixdorf

Fujitsu-Siemens

Gigaset for smartphones and there are several other companies

BUT one no longer builds in this country because it is much too expensive and in China one sits closer to the source of the individual parts

ca

Well, these aren't the best smartphones either

ca

For the most part because of the cost

But all German companies have simply lost touch with the smartphone market.

ka

Of course, the handy are good. Apple, Samsung, Huawei etc. It all comes from China. Apple is designed in California but still built in China

vi

WOW. The only one who understood me here!

Nobody here had doubted that the Germans are very intelligent to do something like that.

But you have hardly any experience here.

China or Tawian or South Korea have invested billions in research. For years. Have a lot of knowledge and experience.

Nothing arises from nothing.

vi

Apple uses many parts from Asian companies.
Designed in California isn't everything!

ka

OH

St

There are much worse ones that sell much better because they are much cheaper and in the end everything comes from China now

From then on you asked whether German companies can't: BUT they can, but in Germany production is just too EXPENSIVE

And as a little info: The highly praised and hyped Apple: Development and marketing in the USA and the production YES in the CHINA

Th

Just think about it, my friend, why not?

Atomic fission was discovered in Germany, the first computer was built in Germany, Leibniz developed infinitesimal calculus in parallel with Newton, Wernherr von Braun developed rocket technology, Fritz Harber developed Cyklon B, the Germans fought two world wars.

Whatever you think of, Germans have made an important contribution to the whole of culture (religion, art, music, science and research) and have even committed the greatest crimes, which we do not want to be proud of. Nowadays science and research is a question of money and no longer has much to do with nationality.

vi

Technology and know-how are experiences that arise over the years. You invest billions there.

The fact that some German developed something 100 years ago does not mean that Germany is TOP in everything today.

The Egyptians also invented a lot. 5000 years ago.

Today? Nothing.

Na

Computers, laptops and cell phones were nailed together in Germany as well 20 years ago. Even then, most of the components were purchased from Asian manufacturers.

The manufacture of the basic components and also the completion is significantly cheaper in the Far East than in Europe / Germany. Today there are only a few manufacturers like GigaSet or Medion that can keep up. And that's only because you buy the components in the Far East and use low-cost labor in production.

vi

Assume that I want to set up a company in Germany tomorrow.

How can I find engineers who have the experience and knowledge to develop something like this?

HiSilicon is the largest https://de.wikipedia.org/...ki/Fabless semiconductor manufacturer in the

Does hardly any German have the knowledge and know-how to manufacture a laptop or computer or smartphone

https://de.wikipedia.org/...blik_China and a wholly owned subsidiary of https://de.wikipedia.org/...iki/Huawei. Its predecessor, the ASIC Design Center of Huawei Technologies, was founded in 1991, four years after Huawei itself

HiSilicon Kirin 990 5G
ARM-based octa-core SoC (2x Cortex-A76 with up to 2.86 GHz + 2x A76 with up to 2.36 + 4x A55 with up to 1.95 GHz) and successor to the https://www.notebookcheck.com/...776.0.html. Integrates a https://www.notebookcheck.com/...798.0.html, a neural processor (2 + 1 cores) for AI tasks and is manufactured in the 7 nanometer process. The built-in graphics card is of the ARM Mali-G76 type and offers 16 clusters (MP16) at up to 700 MHz. The 5G version is clocked slightly faster (2 of the 3 clusters and the graphics card) and integrates the Balong 5G modem. It also offers an additional AI core.

vi

Assume that I want to set up a company in Germany tomorrow.

How can I find engineers who have the experience and knowledge to develop something like this?

HiSilicon is the largest https://de.wikipedia.org/...ki/Fabless semiconductor manufacturer in the

Does hardly any German have the knowledge and know-how to manufacture a laptop or computer or smartphone

https://de.wikipedia.org/...blik_China and a wholly owned subsidiary of https://de.wikipedia.org/...iki/Huawei. Its predecessor, the ASIC Design Center of Huawei Technologies, was founded in 1991, four years after Huawei itself

HiSilicon Kirin 990 5G
ARM-based octa-core SoC (2x Cortex-A76 with up to 2.86 GHz + 2x A76 with up to 2.36 + 4x A55 with up to 1.95 GHz) and successor to the https://www.notebookcheck.com/...776.0.html. Integrates a https://www.notebookcheck.com/...798.0.html, a neural processor (2 + 1 cores) for AI tasks and is manufactured in the 7 nanometer process. The built-in graphics card is of the ARM Mali-G76 type and offers 16 clusters (MP16) at up to 700 MHz. The 5G version is clocked slightly faster (2 of the 3 clusters and the graphics card) and integrates the Balong 5G modem. It also offers an additional AI core.

St

If you want to start from 0 to 100, then you have to have enough money on hand to attract experienced engineers from other companies
Those from the university can't do anything and are therefore of no use

And in Germany you wouldn't pull something like that up, because establishment is too expensive, regulations too expensive, etc.

I know HiSilicon is not a blank slate. I don't know what you mean by that, though.

Na

LinkedIn, XING, StepStone, job exchange, … Or by means of a classic headhunter.

Important: the appealing job description!

There are enough skilled workers of all kinds in Germany and you need more than just a few engineers to run a technology company.

Th

Technology and know-how are experiences that arise over the years. You invest billions there.

You say it yourself! It's a question of money! The German inventive spirit, the Faustian West with Italy, France, England, yes, one has to justifiably say all of Europe, is still there.

In the early 1970s, the media told us something about the incredible rise of Japan, today? What do the cheap producers do when the West simply doesn't buy anything from them? So economic policy a la Trump? Then it's over with fun, within 48 hours!

vi

Is there a surplus or shortage of highly talented people in Germany?

I read that there's a shortage of craftsmen.

Is that also the case with highly talented creative people?

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As of 2020/2021, the European share (mainly

Does hardly any German have the knowledge and know-how to manufacture a laptop or computer or smartphone

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https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halbleiterhersteller

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As of 2020/2021, the European share (mainly

Does hardly any German have the knowledge and know-how to manufacture a laptop or computer or smartphone

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https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halbleiterhersteller

St

Yes and on?!

THAT has been known for years

And neither Germany nor Europe catches up the backlog

Na

I already know all of that. I let off steam in this industry for years and followed the swing of European HL manufacturers towards power semiconductors.

lo

Yes that's right. Hardly any German has this know-how. And those who have it concentrate much more on development than production.

This is also due to the fact that in this country everyone who can hold a soldering iron correctly is considered to be highly qualified or and accepts that. Therefore, the necessary specialists for the production would not be found here.

Quite apart from the fact that enormous quantities would have to be built for the economic production of such bulk goods, which is only possible if the production is raised on a large scale.

the bottom line was a kind of hole-in-the-bucket problem.

Th

Who is gifted? These are all fairy tales of the media industry! At the moment there's a pandemic, tomorrow there's a "Mars mission" again, "Putin the grandson of Rasputin", the yellow danger, the crowds from black Africa, the whales are dying out, the Gulf Stream has come to a standstill, etc. Napoleon said: "There's nothing new under the sun "(La achbar tachtash'schams).

vi

That is unimportant to Germany.

Germany is already TOP in many areas. You don't have to be an expert in everything.

St

In which areas is Germany still TOP?

I can't really think of any other than the most complicated tax and legal system

vi

My country Egypt had bought top gas turbines from Siemens Germany. Numerous top machines from KSB for printing or pumps etc.

Also dig any machine around a subway line.

The Egyptians do not manage this level. It's complicated technology.

Thanks to that, you have a great social system here. That's how you finance it.

Even Spain or Poland do not have such industries or exports, so they are poor.

St

OK… You can't compare Egypt to an industrialized country either.

TBM? You mean the https://www.herrenknecht.com/de/. And yes, it is indeed the world market leader

But to be honest: There are almost no areas in which we're still or even close to the global market leader.
THOSE times are long gone

And let's go inside: An industrialized country that has such a disgrace to the top ranks a la B.E.R. Pulls up… Doesn't need to be world market leader in anything either, because the bureaucracy and all the grandiose regulations are ruining us…

Sa

Just take a look who builds the systems for the production of electronic equipment…