Now another funny "Is it easy or difficult" question…
For cost reasons, I would like to try changing an exhaust on a Citroen C1 for the first time. According to the workshop, the exhaust is through and welding is no longer worthwhile. The estimate of up to 500 euro knocked my socks off.
I'm not inexperienced in terms of craftsmanship, but I do more fine work. (PCs, laptops, iPhone and iPads.) Since I can completely disassemble an iPad and put it back together, after a few YouTube videos I no longer have as much respect for an exhaust change.
Question: Am I overestimating myself there? Are there many pitfalls that I don't recognize?
I would like to buy a complete exhaust pipe from the local vehicle spare parts seller and then to a self-help workshop with a lifting platform. From there I have to hope and pray ;-)
What is the exhaust for you? From manifold to muffler?
What is included in the price of 500 euro? The material too? For a complete exhaust in decent quality including assembly, I think that's a reasonable price.
So if it's just the muffler - the theory is simple, practice a little more difficult. Last winter I changed my golf, completely inexperienced. It was good that jmd was there with the idea.
looked easy on youtube too. Just take it out, unplug it, put it on - it works. But then it was rusted, the screws didn't open, you had to drill out and flex, hammer to get the new one back in, etc.
So… It is feasible, but take with anyone who knows bissl. Disassembling the tablet is nothing, what brings something (I'm an IT specialist, I've already disassembled a dozen cell phones, pcs etc… )
The rear silencer is gone. Car is very loud. The middle tube will probably not last long. Both together including clamps and rubbers are available on Ebay as a set for 75.95. Obviously it won't be the best quality. Tomorrow I want to find out what it costs in the car parts shop around the corner. I don't know the condition of the manifold (yet).
In a self-help workshop with a stage this is not a problem at all.
It's best to order not just the exhaust, but the conversion kit, where all screws are included. It doesn't cost much.
So you do not have to torture yourself with the rusted screws. If nothing works, you flex your head and hammer out the rest.
Thank you. With the iPad, I just wanted to say that I'm not too stupid to turn pancakes ;-)
You would have to do it quite well if you have a lift available. I used to do it myself on my old VW Golf and old VW Passat, but lying on the floor in the garage. The biggest problem is that the old exhaust system is often corroded at the connection points and you can hardly get rid of it. So definitely take a good rust remover spray with you, because you have to get the old exhaust system at the point where the manifold goes on Monday. For safety's sake, you should also have a flex if you cut the exhaust into pieces to get it out better. The pots hang on rubber hooks on hanging hooks. You may not be able to get rid of the rubber cuffs and you will have to cut them up. Then of course you need new rubber sleeves for the new system. As a precaution, I would have myself given the new exhaust system and the suspension cuffs.
Thank you. It is a self-help workshop with a car workshop in the annex. Supposedly you can always bring in a professional in an emergency. (For a fee, of course.) So a maximum personal contribution with a positive result should be possible.
So center tube and rear silencer.
I would look at what the parts from a well-known manufacturer cost. Eberspächer is one such example. For 75.95 you only get scrap.
Thank you, from Eberspächer I only find the rear silencer for 57.91 euro. Center tube not yet. But that fits in price. Will try the car dealership tomorrow. If you had one or two other spare parts manufacturers besides Eberspächer that you can trust, I would be grateful! And if not, 1000 thanks anyway.
Thank's for the Tipps. I think I will book a few minutes on the lift to have a look under the car. Maybe then I'll try to tighten all the screws and tighten them again. After that I will know better if I dare to do that.
In view of a Citroen C1, I think the € 75 is a corresponding price for decent goods.
First of all, I would like to comment on a comment in which you indicated that you would like to try to loosen the screws. Exhaust is such a special thing, being exposed to strong temperature differences and all weather conditions, you can often find completely rusted screws on the exhaust. The edges are often rotten away, so that the tool no longer grips and when the tool grips you usually tear off at least one screw because the thread is rusted. Experimentally, it would probably end up with the defective exhaust no longer being correct.
You can certainly talk to the self-help workshop, as potential customers they usually let someone briefly on a stage for free to clarify how to proceed. I would advise not to go to the screws until there's a replacement. Therefore, not only the exhaust itself should be taken care of, but also including the assembly kit and seals!
The change is actually not exactly demanding, nowadays you usually do not have to bother with stuck pipes (which rusted together better than badly welded), mostly exhaust pipes are flanged (but you should also check beforehand whether it really is). It is usually a bit problematic to install the rubbers or it is more difficult to get the old ones off. Then the exhaust has to be aligned a little (so that it doesn't hit anywhere), especially with cheap parts (but also experienced with expensive branded goods) you often experience that they don't fit properly.
A problem point would be any studs. There's no idea whether the screw connection is anywhere on this exhaust. If such a stud tears off the flange of a remaining exhaust part, you would have to drill through it, for example, and use a continuous screw instead. There's a similar problem if there's a thread or a welded nut in the flange.
An expert who confuses manifold with exhaust and rear silencer
Now I would be interested to know where I should have confused this.
