PayPal problem?

Unfortunately, I had a notebook, sold on Ebay classifieds, paid for through PayPal. The computer was set up with Windows 10.

The buyer complains that he can't "test" the computer because no operating system is set up, he smells "of nicotine", and the full purchase price is paid back.

Now I get the notebook back and it actually can't be booted, the disk was deleted. I was able to restore the data, I don't know it at all. Computer screwed on, and lo and behold. I had installed a Seagate plate, there was one from HGST. My storage was from Samsung, inside was the ELPIDA brand.

Does anyone have similar experiences?

Only pay via PayPal F&F function or bank transfer. And exclude any warranty. Then the buyer can't request anything. You should actually know that when you are on ebay and co. Is on the way. It will now be impossible to prove to you what was in there before.

Even if you still have the original receipt from the notebook, stating the installed parts, as is unfortunately a losing battle. Since you are also able to change the parts yourself. So you briefly lost. You can only replace the wrong parts and sell them again.

It is correct, who sells privately should always state that there's no guarantee and / or guarantee as it is a private sale.

If you persuade yourself to paypal then let it pay you as friends and family, since the buyer has no legal claim anymore.

I'm sorry for you, but everybody has such a fool at some point…

The problem is somewhere else. The Ebay classifieds platform is NOT intended for distance selling, but for local trade, goods for money. These are the consequences… ☻☻☻

If someone insists on PP on the platform, all alarm bells should ring. The least would have been to take a few pictures where the hard disk is visible and then "seal" the base plates with a few color dots. Even serious sellers do this on Ebay, e.g. For used auto parts. Experienced often enough…

I had ruled out the guarantee, but that doesn't seem to interest PayPal.

They contribute to fraud. I also posted the question mainly to warn others.

Unfortunately, nothing helps either. I could still exchange the record afterwards. I could now make and break color dots. Unfortunately, this has no evidence.

Nope, because I know what can happen and above all because I use eBay classified ads as it is intended: as a platform for local advertisements, goods for cash.

If I would also send something, then I take platforms that are intended for this and have a usable rating system, be it eBay or the marketplace in the Hardwareluxx forum. And yet I do not accept payment via PayPal, at most via PayPal Friends.

With "Paypal friends and family" you cheat Ebay when you sell a product. This can permanently lock your account.

Goods for cash? Badly possible if the buyer is in Hamburg and the seller is in Munich. The rest says Ebay-KA:

In many cases
Goods picked up personally or the service provided and
paid in cash on site.

It is always claimed that Ebay-KA is only intended for local sales, which is not true.

But you should also know that paying for goods / services through friends & family is fraudulent and can lead to the permanent blocking of your account.

If you let "constantly" pay via F&F, Paypal will quickly get to the bottom of you.

The problem is somewhere else.

No, the only problem is the accepted payment method PayPal.

With a payment by SEPA transfer, the buyer would not have attempted this type of fraud in the first place because he would have had zero opportunities.

@BlockenOwnz: Such bad advice! This practice violates the PayPal terms of use and my PayPal is cheating on the fees that are due to PayPal. Recently, PayPal has been pretty tough and has blocked such sellers.

In this case, this also related to transactions via other platforms.

KA is an advertising platform, not a sales platform. This can be compared to newspaper advertisements or pinned advertisements on bulletin boards. Of course you can ship, only you have the problem that you do not know who you are selling to. There's no rating system. The marketplaces of the hardware forums are particularly suitable for everything related to technology because they have a public rating system.

Ultimately, as a seller, you have who you sell to. If you don't need to get rid of something, you can also wait for a local buyer. In big cities this is of course easier than in the country.

But there's a rating system at Ebay-KA. It's bad as a cave, but it's a rating system.

I didn't pay attention to that.

Reckless private sellers who engage in such risky business often have such negative experiences.

So you really have to wonder why so many people fall for it again and again.

► Ebay classifieds is intended for personal delivery and cash payment.

► The combination "Ebay classifieds + Paypal" is a paradise for fraudsters.

► PayPal protects buyers, but not sellers.

In the meantime I'm on TOP ", but my first rating was bad. Why? Because I did not respond to a" suggested price "of 40.00 euro with a fixed price of 125.00 euro.

The so-called rating system is a joke.

Then you still have the transfer

Hehe, and mine was downgraded because I wanted to sell a graphics card and in turn rejected three potential buyers who all wanted shipping. The first sentence of my ad was: "Only cash on collection, no shipping, no PayPal!"

With "PayPal friends and family" you cheat Ebay,

nope, as a seller you cheat PayPal because the seller pays fees. Ebay only provides the platform, especially for classified ads.

But let's be honest. Don't people know that this is cheating?

Regardless of whether the fees are justified, who likes to work for free?

I think it's right when PayPal takes a crackdown.

Yes, I think so too!
So I wrote that this is bad advice.

Do you think anyone cares? Sometimes I have the feeling that people can't read. How often do I get fixed prices, in the ad I point out again succinctly thrown offers like

40

Last price

Pain limit?

To "40" I answer "April 1st is over", the other fast sentences with "is on the display". Just be careful not to get 3 answers. Apparently it can then be "rated". In any case, the "rating system" is a cheek. There doesn't even have to be a sale. Any rejected (outrageous) offer can be rated poorly. I don't know what Ebay-KA was thinking, if anyone thought at all. (

I got a bad rating today because I didn't sell a reserved item at the discounted price. The first sentence with the following blank line reads.

Reserved for XXXXXX until xx.xx.xx

He was so cheeky that he announced the bad rating to me.

Either you sell or I make bad reviews.

Think I could be blackmailed? Sometimes it is no longer laughable and you lose your good mood.

After all, he got his bad rating back from me immediately.

Maybe he'll think about it soon, I'm not afraid.

Sometimes it's really horrible. It is not surprising that my "pile of shame" of useless stuff is getting bigger. For 20 euro item I don't do annoying shipping, that means I have to rely on someone to take care of it locally via KA. But here with me with the stupid inquiries it still works to some extent.

I beg your pardon? What does Ebay, Ebay-KA have to do with Paypal? Absolutely nothing. Of course, you cheat as a buyer as well as a seller. BOTH have committed not to violate the PayPal terms and conditions.

You seem like someone who buys stolen goods that is legal because he didn't steal it, but the seller. No matter how you turn it, it is a violation of the contract terms and conditions.

When you pay for a product or service through F&F, you know that it is not legal. You will notice this at the latest when Paypal blocks your account for life.

You know, I'm not Paypal, I don't really care. I only point out the legal situation. What you make of it is your thing. Notice it or let it be. )

I recently bought an old but completely functional notebook on eBay because I needed the power supply. I made the NB "fit", installed a small plate, expanded it with old DDR (1) memory and installed BS.

I posted it for 10.00 euro. After days of negotiation, it was not sold because he didn't want to pay the 5.85 euro postage. Although the ad says bold "Postage costs can be paid for shipping", he believed that the 10.00 euro would include postage. I don't think you have to think hard about it, do you?

I only stopped it because it was a shame to dispose of it. In the end, I set it as a "gift" and promptly received an inquiry from him. "For you NOT" I wrote him, he could rate me, but I didn't care.

If I set up a quad-core notebook with 8 GB RAM and 500 GB HD for 115.00 euro and then get an "offer" of 40.00 euro, I wonder if "everything in the head is correct".

I have one that has been offering every notebook for 40.00 euro for six months, no matter what my price is. I could block it, but it's still fun. I'm really waiting for him.

At the moment I get at least one "offer" from England per week. "Dear Sir…" Apparently the stitch is still pulling. The brain seems to switch off greed for money.

For some people, you really can't think of anything.

Was not intended as criticism but as approval. Is also clear from the content.

However, PayPal makes it far too easy if you simply pay back the purchase price without being seen. This opens the door to every fraud, as you can clearly see.

I have learned from this, in the future NO sales via PayPal.