Do you think it will do anything?

My girls have been fighting a lot since yesterday, that's why I took away all their electronic devices (laptops, cell phones, consoles)

Do you think it will bring anything if I take it away from you for 2 weeks?

If it's a wrong decision, then it would be bad if I gave everything back to both of them, because then you show that you are not consistent enough…

You best look at my last question about it, then you understand more

Your daughters

I think that's a good decision, you need a break from it and should see it as a punishment.

Yes

So taking things away as a punishment would only make sense if your girls (probably your daughters) would argue about those things.

A punishment must always have a direct connection to the situation. I only forbade my children to do things that were directly related to the matter.

E.g. Did my son trample his chic jacket on the floor in anger. So I let him go to school the next day without a jacket. After this uncomfortable day, he looked at his jacket with completely different eyes and never treated it like that again.

It's just hard to endure it.

EDIT: Oh and one more thing. Penalties should never be measured in such a way that they are impossible to comply with. So 2 weeks without a cell phone will probably not be possible. You make yourself implausible if you shorten penalties for the sake of everyday pragmatism.

An argument between siblings is normal and in my opinion it is not a reason to take the child's cell phone away.
But you should leave it like that for now, otherwise it would get worse.

Did you seriously let him go to school without a jacket?

Naturally.

I don't think it's good, however, is your upbringing.

It's your upbringing… But that can't be deducted, it couldn't be more irresponsible

You don't have to like it. There's no magic formula for upbringing. Maybe it was a mistake, but you'll make yours too. In both cases, no perfect people come out - it doesn't work at all.

It wasn't in the dead of winter either. It was already plus degrees ;-)

I never said that either. I just gave my opinion on your upbringing.

Even if it's 14 degrees in the morning, the poor child freezes

I looked at the last question. Difficult situation.

Basically, taking away the device is difficult to bring in line with the behavior. So in this situation. Therefore it is not the correct punishment per se. Nevertheless, I can well understand that there are hardly any alternative options.

In this case I would combine the whole thing with something else. Namely with the condition. The first thing that every child will sit down with you and calmly tell their version of the story, what is the reason for the blatant behavior.

Then we sit down together and discuss the whole thing sensibly and calmly. Corresponding consequences may have been drawn or agreements made.

Basically, in my opinion, it should be made clear that such behavior is not ok. And it will have consequences (which you clearly announce here). (Whatever you think is appropriate.) And under what conditions. E.g. Anyone who beats has to go without media for 2 weeks. It doesn't matter what happened before.

In addition, it may be useful to ensure that the girls can withdraw from each other. If you have two rooms that's already given. Then it may be appropriate to ensure that you can also complete this if that is not yet the case. Here, too, you can agree that each of the two has the right to withdraw and that the other has to respect that. Is this not the case and e.g. One stands in front of the door of the other and hammers against it or what do I know. → Consequences.

When they have discussed the matter with you and together sensibly. Returns the things. If you don't want that. (And you should give them the freedom to decide) Then that's ok and, as I said, the things will be returned in 2 weeks.

If a cell phone is absolutely necessary for any reason to make calls. Can one provide alternatives. Also what hoomeschooling etc. Concerns.

Regardless of this, it is important to communicate as described above that such behavior is not ok and will not be tolerated.

So you not only have a simple punishment that is hardly related to what has been done. (which, as I said, is difficult to find anything at all) but also a plan to clarify this matter properly. And above all to show how to clarify something sensibly. In this case, the missing media devices are of course a means of pressure to pull this off. But given the situation, I see it as justified.

As for other consequences for these things: Orient yourself to what would happen if the state intervened. The usual penalties for bodily harm are pain and suffering payments and social work. The latter would be a fixed hourly rate specifically to help in the house. (In addition to what they're already doing.)

Because that's exactly what they would do in real life. So I don't see any reason not to do exactly the same but in a slightly weaker form. At 15 you are of criminal age. And accordingly old enough to experience what happens when you fight.

As long as there's no serious risk that the child will become seriously ill. Is that a great consequence. I call it natural consequences. If I broke all of my jackets what happens then? Then I have to freeze outside. And if it's just on the way to the clothing store to buy a new one. Or for 2-3 days because Amazon or someone else has to deliver the jacket.

That's what happens when you break your jackets.

As long as no serious consequences are to be expected, it makes perfect sense to let the kids run into the open knife. Literally seen. From this you learn most because it is your own experience and, above all, direct consequences that arise from your actions.

Do you think it will bring anything if I take it away from you for 2 weeks?

No. Because there's a reason for the verbal and tangible conflict. And that will not be eliminated, on the contrary, it can also escalate further.

You are basically only punishing them because they do not allow you to participate in their problems that they currently have with each other.

It is better to bring the daughters to a table and force them to talk instead of incurring punishments that have nothing to do with the matter at hand.

You should rather practice with them how to argue properly and never raise your hand at the other because this is just an expression of weakness and helplessness.

Children argue, scream at each other… It doesn't matter if they are twins or not.

And they don't seem to trust you much if they don't want to talk to you about what led to the physical derailment.

In the end you will be the "stupid mother" who doesn't understand anything and imposes silly punishments…

It was wrong to take things away. It was wrong not to set up any rules for togetherness. It was wrong not to support them in approaching each other.

Talk to the two of them. Make it clear to them that you expect them to resolve their conflicts without yelling or knocking. And if they are getting on each other's biscuit at the moment, then they should avoid each other. But also give them the opportunity to talk to you if they want to.

Tell them that it hurts you to watch it escalate. And I'm also happy to admit that the removal of the electronic devices was a helpless attempt to clear things up.

Quarrel is part of life. Arguing properly has to be learned…

We have a board at home with all the rules on it that we decided years ago, they were always followed and if something was then I was asked about it, but this time it is completely escalated… You have meanwhile also told me why it was palpable were

And why did they get violent? Although that doesn't really matter at all! It's an absolute NOGO!

And a board with rules alone is obviously not enough.

The board has worked for the whole year, it also said the consequences that we decided if someone breaks the rules, they became palpable because one wanted to mess with the friend of the other, it couldn't be more ridiculous, after all, it has now been clarified